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 Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: Parsix 3.0test3 |
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Development Release: Parsix GNU/Linux 3.0 Test 3
| Quote: | | Alan Baghumian has announced the availability of the third test release of Parsix GNU/Linux 3.0, a desktop distribution based on Debian's testing branch: "The third testing release of Parsix GNU/Linux 3.0 is ready for immediate download. It brings a vast amount of new features such as: GNOME 2.26.3, brand new kernel based on Linux 2.6.29.6 with extra patches and drivers, updated installer system that supports separate /home partition, ext4 file system and GRUB 2, NetworkManager is finally default networking stack, Aufs and Unionfs support, Squashfs + LZMA compression for live CD and lots of updated packages - GNU Iceweasel 3.5.3, GParted 0.4.6, Pidgin 2.6.2 and OpenOffice.org 3.1.1. We are looking forward to release the final version next week, so please do your best to test and report any problems you see." |
I've been using this a bit here recently to test it out. For a Gnome based desktop, it's not bad at all. They do very similar to Ubuntu, in that they copy the Debian mirror, then start tweaking it to their own suiting rather than like sidux that is just Debian with some polish on top. So it uses the debian-multimedia repos, but does NOT use any official Debian repos. Some nice things are that it has iceweasel 3.5.3 already, whereas Debian Squeeze is still stuck at 3.0.14 (this is the only sore spot for me on Debian, is they're horribly behind in Firefox versions). I haven't really found any issues thus far to report, seems pretty darn stable for me.
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| Might be worth a look; I am running Squeeze right now on the Gateway PA6A. To get the current browsers, I just grab them myself and run them in subdirectories of my home directory. I have Firefox 3.5.3, a release candidate for 3.5.4, test versions of 3.6 and 3.7, plus a nightly build. For Seamonkey, I have a 2.0 release candidate and nightly builds for 2.0 and 2.1. They all work great; I have no concerns about stability, so that's what I do, whether on Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid. |
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| I just compile the latest stable version for myself. I always do 64-bit, and I seem to recall mozilla doesn't offer precompiled binaries for 64-bit.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you see this version taking the place of Squeeze for you on any of your systems, or is it just something to try out? |
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| Just something to try out for now. I may try it out to see how well it does with removing everything Gnome and replacing it with KDE4 though, and if it does it well, I can see it becoming one of my favorites since it would require a little less upkeep than Debian proper since it wouldn't require me to compile my own browser every time it's released.
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| One thing about it that I have found that I DO NOT like...it uses NetworkManager. Somehow Ubuntu's implementation of NM is pretty darn good and stable. The one in Parsix is much more like vanilla Debians in that it drops CONSTANTLY, lags HORRENDOUSLY, and is just about as stable as a nitroglycerin water fountain.
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| tlmiller wrote: | | One thing about it that I have found that I DO NOT like...it uses NetworkManager. Somehow Ubuntu's implementation of NM is pretty darn good and stable. The one in Parsix is much more like vanilla Debians in that it drops CONSTANTLY, lags HORRENDOUSLY, and is just about as stable as a nitroglycerin water fountain. |
I try to replace 'em all with wicd. Only exception is when I am using ceni, which also works well for me. NetworkManager stinks as far as I am I am concerned; I wire up and replace it immediately. |
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I was trying to use it "stock" as possible. But yes, I will more than likely have to do that. NetworkManager is just plain and simple garbage. I would love to know how Ubuntu have managed to get it to work so darned well and stable since it doesn't seem to work worth $.10 in ANY other distro that I've used in the last year.
I still use it in my Kubuntu 9.04 install. And I will say in that, it's as stable and fast as wicd.
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| I wonder what is different; there was a bad version of NetworkManager several months ago; unless they've kept up to date, that may be the root cause. Worst case, either graft in the one from Kubuntu or toss in wicd instead. The Ubuntu repos have wicd; the wicd site also has links to packages in multiple package formats. |
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I think maybe Parsix did something drastically wrong with wireless. Switched over to wicd, and now wireless isn't spotty, it fails to connect at all. Sees my AP, but won't connect anymore.
So there is at least some bugs still in Parsix 3.
As far as the problems with NetworkManager, I'm willing to put it down to NetworkManager being NetworkManager. As stated, I haven't had good results with NM outside of Ubuntu in a LONG, LONG, LONG time. Ubuntu seems to be the only distro that manages to get it to work like it's supposed to. Using it on Debian, Parsix, Mandriva, Fedora all come up lacking.
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| Hmm, that has not been my experience. All of my distros handle wireless, though I've been annoyed a number of times with NetworkManager. I've even had that work OK on SOME versions, but I have gotten to the point that I just replace it right away with wicd and move on. For me, when I see wireless issues, nine times out of ten it is my cheap wireless router. I've had cheap Belkin and Linksys models, and after reconnecting with various laptops and recycling through the DHCP addresses once or twice, frequently it won't accept new connections. I power cycle for 2-3 seconds on the wireless router, start over, and in 10-15 seconds all is well. Minor inconvenience, considering I got bottom end wireless routers; I got what I paid for! But it does not seem to be a fault of wicd, ceni, NetworkManager or anything else; it'll do it in Windows, too, which is very good at picking up wireless networks as well (probably the most reliable feature in Windows). I'd put ceni, wicd, and Windows network detection now on a par. A couple of years ago, Windows did wireless detection and connection better; wicd now does at least as well and can be nicely automated. |
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| Yeah, I have no issues with wicd (in fact I rebooted to vanilla Debian Squeeze and it worked without issue) in anything except Parsix.
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| tlmiller wrote: | | Yeah, I have no issues with wicd (in fact I rebooted to vanilla Debian Squeeze and it worked without issue) in anything except Parsix. |
Maybe Parsix, at least this version, isn't so hot at everything; too bad, it sounded promising there for a while. |
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| Well, in their defense, this isn't even beta release.
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| tlmiller wrote: | | Well, in their defense, this isn't even beta release. |
True. It might be nice to provide feedback on where things stand; what looks good and what needs work, then follow up by trying a later build or the final release. |
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