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bluwulf
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:02 am    Post subject: Re:The traps of Linux...& open source software Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is all dribble, written by a M$ shill, or some lame attempt at parody, not sure which..... this statement proved to me he/she had ZERO clue about that which they were writing.


It offers far less efficient applications ????? Has this guy EVER used Linux...... IT graduate and all..... writes for an Online Publication..... all I have to say is ...... Razz WHATEVER DUDE !!!! Laughing Laughing I can multitask and have 50+ windows and programs running and NOT CRASH MY SYSTEM ....... can't do that on any windows systems I've run.........

...... but that's just MY Humble Opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
crouse wrote:
This is all dribble,

...

but that's just MY Humble Opinion.


My opinion, humble or otherwise, is identical! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
He loses at the internet.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who can read that kind of crap ???
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
My eyes started hurting after the first couple of minutes so I had to download it all and convert it to plain text. Only the truly sadistic think white text on a dark background is readable. Once I finished the legible copy I was flabbergasted. He has some good points but the conclusions he draws are pretty ridiculous.
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nukes
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
liviu wrote:
Who can read that kind of crap ???

Who can write it morelike?

It makes you wonder what causes people who probably are knowledgable in their areas to go and spout a pile of steaming ...... umm, dung and totally discredit themselves. This might have been true 5 or 6 years ago, but it just isn't anymore.
Granted OO.org isn't the best office suite around, but it's free and does the job. You'd get better results if you compiled it with gcj rather than ran it in the VM. Personally I've found it very unstable and slow. Some people say its better, but I tried it on that 'drake 10 disc I had and it was still crap.
It was fine on windows though :/

The only thing Linux needs for me to get rid of windows of the office machine is a good office suite complete with MS access replacment (preferably compatible)
That isn't going to happen anytime soon though Sad



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahh if ONLY IBM would port Lotus SmartSuite to Linux Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That would do the trick. Corel seems to have discontinued their wordperfect stuff on Linux, which is a shame - they could potentially have done well out of IBM and HP pushing Linux on the desktop.
crouse: It may happen - I think I remember reading that they weren't going to, but then they have similar views on OO.org to me. Very Happy



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have you seen Softmaker? www.softmaker.de
They have a Word-compatible and Excel-compatible program. Not Access, but maybe they'll do that in the future.

It's NOT free software, in speech or beer, but it looks like a decent replacement for Word.



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A grandiose marketing trick is currently taking place on a global scale. It is called Open source software.

Marketing trick? As far as I can tell, up until recently it's all been word-of-mouth.
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And its flagship is the Linux operating system. The story began about ten years ago, picking up speed as a fairy-tale. As a matter of fact, it is a fairy-tale and promises fabulous future.

It is a fabulous future. We can now use a complete desktop OS without fear of being locked in to any one vendor.
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The primary philosophy of the Open source software is to displace and, if possible, to liquidate the commercial software based on the standard economic model of investments in some technology with subsequent expectations for return on sales.


Wrong. That's similar to the goal of Free Software, not Open Source.
Besides, the original model involved software that was freely distributed with source code. It wasn't until the late 70s and 80s that companies started hoarding their source code.

It looks like for most of the ranting, it should be replaced by "Free Software" http://www.gnu.org/

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Instead, the Open source code intends to offer to its users completely free programs, capable implement the same job, i.e. to avoid any software expenses.


Wrong. The premise is that programmers will create a giant repository of Free software such that a company will get the source code for free and pay those programmers to customise software to meet their business needs. Sort of like what IBM is doing right now.

Oh, and this code that is created will also make its way back into the repository of source code for anyone else to improve.

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The driving force of this concept is the license, covering the programs with Open source, basically known as GPL (General Public License).
It's GNU General Public License
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In contrast to the various commercial licenses, which generally restrict users’ rights up to what they have paid for, this license warrants full rights for arbitrary usage, with no need to pay for anything,

Wrong. There is nowhere in the GNU General Public License that says you must distribute your product for free.

And then it goes on to say that the developers who believe in it are being duped, because they're doing everything for free and they're going to get shafted in the end when there is no longer a need for programmers? Oh, please. What a bunch of tripe.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
100% drivel.



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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then again, so is most of the stuff on the .net



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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nukes wrote:
The only thing Linux needs for me to get rid of windows of the office machine is a good office suite complete with MS access replacment (preferably compatible)
That isn't going to happen anytime soon though Sad

Are any of these what you could be looking for?

1- KNoda.
2- Gnome DB Manager.
3- OpenOffice + MySQL.
4- InterBase7.[prop]
5- InterBase6.
6- Berkley DB.
7- Rekall. [Prop]
8- StarOffice Adabase.

This partial list came from
The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux.
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nukes
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2004 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, unfortunatley. It needs pretty much a drop-in replacement for Access, Visio, Autocad, etc.
This machine is going to be staying on 2k for a bit longer Sad



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