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An article on ssmtp
http://www.linux.com/feature/132006
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| I'm lazier and just pull my gmail into thunderbird.
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| I'm even lazier than that; a lot lazier. I leave it on their server and check it from the web so all that junk mail in it doesn't eat up my hdd space.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| I leave mine on their server too, but I just find the gmail interface slooooowwwwwww.
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| It is, but IMHO it's a heckuva lot better than downloading it.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:07 pm Post subject: Where SSMTP fits into the overall picture |
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| crouse wrote: | | bdquick wrote: | | I'm lazier and just pull my gmail into thunderbird. |
uhm ..... I don't think you are understanding what SSMTP really IS. This app doesn't "pull"....... it would be more equated with "push"  |
That's right. POP3 and/or IMAP4 are what you use to read messages from a mail server to an external program and that is what they use.
SMTP is what those same programs, such as Thunderbird, Mutt, Pine, Eudora, etc. use when you create a message and attempt to send it.
I take it that the extra S is for simple or super simple, because SSMTP is a functional replacement for SMTP, just as IMAP4 is a functional replacement for POP3,
Interestingly enough, some of the functions in IMAP4 have worked their way into POP3, most notably the capability of reading a message and optionally either retaining it or removing it from the server. The original POP3 spec did not include this function. Ten years ago when I first used it, that feature was not there; when you'd read messages off the mail server with a POP3 server, they were GONE from the mail server, marked read and then deleted. Now, they are marked read, but can optionally be retained and reread by another application, which also has the ability to retain or remove the information.
I do not yet know much about SSMTP, so Dave, I will have to read up on it. But I expect that is a pretty simple plug in replacement for SMTP. Am I correct in the statements that I have made here? |
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| Yes...... basically it's a very simple "sendmail" mail server replacement.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:35 pm Post subject: Email components explained in detail |
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| DedannaRocks! wrote: | | I'm even lazier than that; a lot lazier. I leave it on their server and check it from the web so all that junk mail in it doesn't eat up my hdd space. |
I do something similar. First, I keep my main Email on the Yahoo! Mail server. I first read the Spam/Bulk folder to see if there are any messages worth retaining at all. I review the headers, 100 at a time. If there are any to keep, I move them to the Inbox, then I remove the remaining messages with "Empty Bulk", Spam, or whatever it says.
Then I go through my Inbox. If there are any one time reads, I read them, then delete. I also go through to look if there is SPAM that the SPAM filter did not detect, and I delete it without even reading it.
I do all of these things at the Web interface level. That significantly cuts down on the number of messages that I am reading in to my Email client.
However, keep in mind this important point. When I DO bring in my Email, I am using a POP3 access point to bring it in. This has nothing to do with the SSMTP component that Dave described above. The SMTP or SSMTP component in a messaging system is what is called the MTA or Mail Transport Agent. SSMTP and SMTP are both considered to be MTAs.
POP3 and IMAP4 are known as MDAs or Mail Delivery Agents.
Thunderbird, Eudora, and Outlook Express are all examples of MUAs or Mail User Agents, and they are more commonly referred to as Email clients.
The article here nicely describes the components of an Email system.
What DedannaRocks! was referring to is that she uses a WebMail client to pull out most junk before she ever imports it (if at all). I personally heavily use WebMail clients as well, but I do use an MDA and an MUA to pull in stuff that I want to keep and store locally as well. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 5:24 pm Post subject: This is about SENDING mail, let's discuss RECEIVING mail |
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This really is a good article. If you read it, you will see that what we are talking about here is SENDING (not receiving) mail.
Since this topic DID bring up several comments about RECEIVING mail, and doing it with WebMail, Thunderbird, and other MUAs (Email clients), perhaps we ought to start another thread to look into nice alternatives to bring in mail from POP3 and IMAP4 mail servers. I know that there are a number of them out there; Fetchmail comes immediately to mind? Do any of you use, or have you ever explored or considered such tools? If so, let's start another topic to discuss them. |
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The thing is though, why would one want to download it or send it even then to (or through) their hdd (unless it's something awfully imperatively important)?
The best backup IMHO is right there on the internet; takes no hdd space, and never gets lost; if your system crashes, there it is.
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In a situation like that, yes.
However, we're talking more for (whatever, general) gmail here -- I fail to see how it could be relevant for it for the reasons stated above.
If one's keeping an eye on a system, yeah, but elsewise, generally, I just don't see it.
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