wicd arch won't see networks

tlmiller · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2025 7:25 pm Post subject: wicd arch won't see networks

So I updated 2 installs of Arch. 1 is KDE 4.2, the other is kdemod-legacy 3.5.10. After updating, the wicd manager will no longer see my access point. It sees those around me, but it won't see mine. Anyone seen this issue before, or better yet, know how to fix it?

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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2025 7:57 pm Post subject:

did you remember to add wicd to the daemons line in rc.conf?

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tlmiller · Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2025 8:25 pm Post subject:

yes, wicd is WORKING, it just won't see MY access point. It will see every other one that I'm within range of, and attempt to connect to it (failing of course, since I don't know the encryption passwords). Mine it simply doesn't see.

To note, one laptop also has sidux & kubuntu 9.04 installed, both working perfectly fine and able to connect to my network without issue. The other laptop has sidux installed also working just fine and able to connect, so I know it's not hardware issue.

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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 12:24 am Post subject:

I know that wicd has had trouble with APs that do not broadcast their essid before but it's been about 6 months since that happened...

doe it work with network manager?

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platinummonkey · Archlinux i686 kernel26 2.6.32.10-1

please do not use network manager on arch x.x. It seems more and more *buntu users are trying to make arch *buntu x.x its driving me crazy and completely defeats the kiss principle of arch. Razz

Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 2:03 am Post subject:

sorry for the suggestion.

I find NM to handle networks very gracefully and it's ability to handle vpns and automatically connect to wired when the cable is inserted very nice. it simplifies my life.

I was a ubuntu user for about 5 hours and never looked back after i switched away from it.

NM works and works well for what it is designed for. and is not in fact developed by *buntu, http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/

just because *buntuu uses it does not mean it's bad.

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tlmiller · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 2:22 am Post subject:

I LOVE network-manager.

Arch doesn't have a kde network manager frontend anymore. Honestly, Arch has been plummeting in my regards because they've basically gotten rid of ALL KDE support. I'm not sure if it will even continue to be on my desktops with how well Kubuntu has become.

It's sad, in a way. I went through so much to learn HOW to use Arch, and it became my second favorite OS there is. Now it's definitely dropped to 3rd or 4th with how many hoops you have to jump through just to make it usable if you don't like gnome.

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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 5:32 am Post subject:

being a gnomeboy myself I've had a real easy time switching between distros.

I also fully expect that once KDE4 finishes ironing out the kinks and bugs that Arch will add back in the support that got removed. I get the feeling that it was only removed because it had the distressing tendancy to BREAK CONSTANTLY WITH EVERY UPDATE. I mean kde4 didn't make gentoo stable until just last month (or the month before last... forget exactly when)

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platinummonkey · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 6:15 am Post subject:

im against network-manager because of the bloat :/ and honestly there are people who depend on network-manager, and its not a good thing imho. Because sometimes it just doesn't work, and the users have never even heard of anything else x.x

Personally I'm way against kde, and getting increasingly more against gnome. I don't like where they are headed, and its becoming too similar to winblows imho. x.x If i wanted bloat, i would run winblows. I'm running linux for several reasons; but, one of those happens to be its lightweight-ness and ability to use every ounce of performance out of your hardware. Frankly kde and gnome imho take away those things.

just my 2 cents. I'm sure you all enjoy it, and thats fine. Just imho arch, was not really designed for those intentions... Wink

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jada · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 6:41 am Post subject:

platinummonkey · Archlinux i686 kernel26 2.6.32.10-1

tlmiller · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 5:39 pm Post subject:

I use the inittab method in Arch.

I like kde because it is easy. I think xfce is ok, but takes too long to look good. Although the default Dream Linux XFCE desktop if pretty darn nice. Unfortunate that Dream Linux doesn't have a amd64 version, or I'd probably use that. Fluxbox is great, but almost all the configuration to make it look nice is done through editing text. NO THANK YOU. Gnome is just garbage on ugliness with a bit of crap mixed in IMO. When they come out with a window manager that is configured in a gui like KDE is, and is easy to configure like KDE is, then I'll move away from KDE. Until then, KDE is the only option for me.

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anticapitalista · Member Joined: 13 Jan 2025 Posts: 185 Location: Greece

tlmiller · Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2025 7:18 pm Post subject:

And that's why I don't use it. In the 80's and early 90's, editing files to change things was fine. And I'm still willing to edit the occassional file. But modern technology has come FAR too far...I am a gui person...I don't do text files to change settings when I can avoid it. So for me, Fluxbox is simply too outdated to use, regardless if it's intent is to be outdated.

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crouse · Site Admin Joined: 17 Apr 2025 Posts: 11833 Location: Iowa

TBH, I gave up on Arch on the laptop simply because it was kind of a pain.
While I was successful in getting things working fine, it just felt really "hackish".

However, I have zero problems using KDE 4 on the desktops.... using anything less than KDE is just not in the cards for me unless I have too. I like the fact Arch can install what I want it to... and doesn't start 400 dameons because it thinks I "might" need them.

Having KDE on Arch does NOT defeat the KISS principle at ALL..... not in the least, KISS does NOT mean minimal, or no gui. This refers to the OVERALL design of Arch, not a WM or DE. But you already knew that didn't you platinummonkey Razz

KDE may be bloat, but it's actually the most advanced DE running. Personally, I love using it. There are many many many KDE apps that are such timesavers that once you start using them, it's not fun to do without them...... even though I can, but why ? I'm pretty sure my 3.6 ghz machines with 4 gigs of ram and terrabyte drives aren't gonna come to a complete slowdown running KDE. kgpg, konqueror, konsole, kate, ktorrent, k3b, kaffiene, k9copy -- just to name a few of the kde apps i use everyday. Konqueror and Konsole alone make it worth keeping KDE on mydesktop. Konsole allows mutliple tabbed terminal sessions and konqueror allows multiple tabbed sftp windows to drag and drop files from multiple machines(if you've never did this, it RULES). I don't use KDE because it's easy, I use it because it's extremely flexible and functional for what i do every day. I'll be keeping my kde thank you very much Razz

When you explain to me why it's worth learning a whole new programming language just to make my desktop work.... and why it's so much better than what I have now, and I mean better, not the same as, then you can diss my kde Razz

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