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 Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 4:41 pm Post subject: So this apparently has everyone on Arch linux forums stumped |
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Posted over at Arch linux forums, not a single reply. At least i managed to avoid the usual rude "read the man pages" answer they use over there. See if anyone here has any ideas.
| Quote: | So I just installed Arch on one of my laptops. I've got just about everything up and running correctly, but no matter what I use for network control, I can't see my wireless network. I can see my neighbors. One of them even has WPA2 encryption like mine. I can attempt to connect to them, but of course it fails since I don't know their encryption keys. I have tried wifi-radar, wicd, and networkmanager. All of them see my neighboring wireless networks but don't see mine. I have from wicd even tried telling it to connect to my essid as if it were a hidden network, but that fails.
I know it's not my router, as sidux and Calculate on the same hardware connects just fine (both using wicd). My other laptops with sidux, Debian, Fedora, Mandriva and Kubuntu are also able to connect without issues to my router, using either wicd and networkmanager (Fedora & Kubuntu networkmanager, everything else wicd).
Wired network works exactly as it should either just starting network or from wicd.
I would prefer to use wicd. Any ideas? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: So this apparently has everyone on Arch linux forums stu |
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| tlmiller wrote: |
I would prefer to use wicd. Any ideas? |
Yes, RTFM 
here is a good doku about wicd on Archlinux
http://wiki.archlinux.org//Wicd
most important,
vi /etc/rc.conf
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INTERFACES=(!eth0 !wlan0) |
| Code: | | DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus !network !dhcdbd !networkmanager wicd ...) |
and also add the user to the network
# gpasswd -a USERNAME network
that's one thing,
but now the ugly part of Archlinux. There maintainenes of the WiFi part is ..... If you have Atheros WiFi and need madwifi, forget about it. Most of there packages are broken or break after a rolling release updates from Kernel, or KDE, or Gnome, or whatever .... |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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I have my network as hidden.
It is not broadcasting the connection name.
I can enter it manually to access it.
Is that person's network name being broadcast.?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: So this apparently has everyone on Arch linux forums stu |
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| jada wrote: | | tlmiller wrote: |
I would prefer to use wicd. Any ideas? |
Yes, RTFM
here is a good doku about wicd on Archlinux
http://wiki.archlinux.org//Wicd
most important,
vi /etc/rc.conf
| Code: |
INTERFACES=(!eth0 !wlan0) |
| Code: | | DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus !network !dhcdbd !networkmanager wicd ...) |
and also add the user to the network
# gpasswd -a USERNAME network
that's one thing,
but now the ugly part of Archlinux. There maintainenes of the WiFi part is ..... If you have Atheros WiFi and need madwifi, forget about it. Most of there packages are broken or break after a rolling release updates from Kernel, or KDE, or Gnome, or whatever .... |
If you'll notice, everything on WICD IS working...only it doesn't see 1 of many wireless networks available. Just so happens that it's the 1 that I need.
ESSID is broadcast. I tried entering it manually as if it were a hidden ESSID but no go.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried just using wpa_supplicant, or in the case of certain ralink/realtek cards poking the relevant data in with iwpriv? (as this is what the tools you mention are almost definitely doing under the hood). You can even get the debugging output.
What chip is it?
On my arch laptop I connect to a number of different networks, so just have scripts that i run after boot to connect to the various ones, which works quite nicely.
I don't mind arch as a distro, but I wouldn't trust the devs to do stuff like this right (hey, it's not easy). Better to just do it by hand.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2025 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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It's an Intel WiFiLink 5300.
I have no idea how to use wpa_supplicant without a frontend, so haven't tried that.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2025 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| tlmiller wrote: | It's an Intel WiFiLink 5300.
I have no idea how to use wpa_supplicant without a frontend, so haven't tried that. |
Intel WiFi 5300 integrated and improved for a better supported in the upcomming Kernel 2.6.30 > and not the earlier one's!
Wait a week or two and your problem is solved with Archlinux WiFi.
Same with the Intel WiMax/WiFi 5150/5130! I made this research last weeks because I was planing to get a new Laptop. |
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| Yeah, I read those. I got the WICD one, and have used that enough times that I know all that. For the other, as far as I'm able to tell, it's written in Yiddish, because it makes less than 0 sense to me.
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| tlmiller wrote: | | Yeah, I read those. I got the WICD one, and have used that enough times that I know all that. For the other, as far as I'm able to tell, it's written in Yiddish, because it makes less than 0 sense to me. |
That's the part about Archlinux where they left the standart Linux config rules and jump over to the freeBSD/UNIX rules. |
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Updated to the 2.6.30 kernel today.
Edit: took 5 minutes after booting to see my wireless network, but it DOES now see it!!
edit2: If you stay idle for 2 minutes, it disconnects and refuses to reconnect, giving you an error "bad password". So Arch is still horribly borked for attempting to use it wirelessly.
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| tlmiller wrote: | Updated to the 2.6.30 kernel today.
Edit: took 5 minutes after booting to see my wireless network, but it DOES now see it!!
edit2: If you stay idle for 2 minutes, it disconnects and refuses to reconnect, giving you an error "bad password". So Arch is still horribly borked for attempting to use it wirelessly. |
Write a bug report. And yes, I think Archlinux is horribly on wireless. I had only trouble with it! |
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| crouse wrote: | I've used it once for laptops, it worked fine, but was using an older wireless card... so i'm assuming that was actually a plus at the time.... hate wireless period with laptops and linux myself, regardless of distro, ubuntu seems to have it figured out the best in that regards (install and it works)
Luckily, I seldom need to use a laptop. 
Arch for my desktops and servers........ been perfect for me. Laptops, i honestly have used ubuntu on them more than any other distro, simply because of the easy of getting it to work............ that, and they usually aren't mine  |
antiX works great for my lappy with wicd, works out of the box ...... I haven't been able to get this D600 to accept Arch, and haven't tried wireless on Dreamlinux or Mepis yet ...... Mepis should be just as easy as antiX for wicd ...... I agree with you tlmiller, wicd is the best 
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