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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn
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Did i just invoke a WM/DE war back there?
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s***. I think I did...
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Just a suggestion, which I'm sure you have already tried (and probably exhausted), tlmiller. I have this problem sometimes with wicd and Arch, where it will see a few surrounding AP's, but not mine. If I hit the "refresh" button a few times (3 or 4 in most cases... sometimes more), usually my AP will show up. However, if that doesn't work, there have been rare instances where I've had to remove my dongle's kernel module and re-insert it. Usually that fixes it. I don't know whether you're dealing with a laptop (card inside the computer) or a removable card, but I have a USB dongle. So I am able to put down the interface, remove the module, remove the card, insert the card, and then Arch automatically loads the module again, and then bring the interface back up. Then everything works for me, and if it doesn't then something's really messed up  .
HTH.
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tlmiller
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| I didn't try removing the module...I'll try that. While it's not a removable card, if I remove the module then reload it, it SHOULD have the same effect, correct?
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lberg
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| tlmiller wrote: | | I didn't try removing the module...I'll try that. While it's not a removable card, if I remove the module then reload it, it SHOULD have the same effect, correct? |
Yeah, I think so.
I have an rt73 card, which loads both rt2x00 and rt73usb, so I rmmod both of them.
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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn
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| crouse wrote: | TBH, I gave up on Arch on the laptop simply because it was kind of a pain.
While I was successful in getting things working fine, it just felt really "hackish".
However, I have zero problems using KDE 4 on the desktops.... using anything less than KDE is just not in the cards for me unless I have too. I like the fact Arch can install what I want it to... and doesn't start 400 dameons because it thinks I "might" need them.
Having KDE on Arch does NOT defeat the KISS principle at ALL..... not in the least, KISS does NOT mean minimal, or no gui. This refers to the OVERALL design of Arch, not a WM or DE. But you already knew that didn't you platinummonkey  
KDE may be bloat, but it's actually the most advanced DE running. Personally, I love using it. There are many many many KDE apps that are such timesavers that once you start using them, it's not fun to do without them...... even though I can, but why ? I'm pretty sure my 3.6 ghz machines with 4 gigs of ram and terrabyte drives aren't gonna come to a complete slowdown running KDE. kgpg, konqueror, konsole, kate, ktorrent, k3b, kaffiene, k9copy -- just to name a few of the kde apps i use everyday. Konqueror and Konsole alone make it worth keeping KDE on mydesktop. Konsole allows mutliple tabbed terminal sessions and konqueror allows multiple tabbed sftp windows to drag and drop files from multiple machines(if you've never did this, it RULES). I don't use KDE because it's easy, I use it because it's extremely flexible and functional for what i do every day. I'll be keeping my kde thank you very much 
When you explain to me why it's worth learning a whole new programming language just to make my desktop work.... and why it's so much better than what I have now, and I mean better, not the same as, then you can diss my kde  |
i whole heartedly disagree.. but you already know that. The minimalist in me just through the monitor through the window shouting obsceneties.
I wish i could explain, but let me put it this way. The same guy who made this wonderful OS, dislikes kde. Maybe that should knock a few screws back into place Come see me in person and I'll talk you to death on the subject .. i'm serious kde is bloat, it always has been, bloat belongs on winders imho. i dont want kapple or kwinders or kidontknowhowtodoanything or kthisisjustlikewinders!pointnclick!omfg! ! or kletsseehowmuchwecanfattenthisthingup! or knewbsauce
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no.. wait... i still hate kde give me a choice between winders and kde, and Ill ask you this: what's the difference? I'll stick to my "text configs" and "required programming"... heh. so uninformed the masses. x.x
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yes i might be a tad less sober
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| Quote: | Arch Linux defines simplicity as a lightweight base structure without unnecessary additions, modifications, or complications, that allows an individual user to shape the system according to their own needs.
By keeping the system simple, Arch Linux provides the freedom to make any choice about the system.
A freshly installed Arch Linux system contains only basic core components with no automatic configuration performed. Users are able to configure the system as they wish, from the shell. From the start of the installation procedure, every component of the system is 100% transparent and accessible for instant access, removal, or replacement by alternative components.
The large number of packages and build scripts in the various Arch Linux repositories also support freedom of choice, offering free and open source software for those who prefer it, as well as proprietary software packages, for those who embrace 'functionality over ideology'. It is the user who chooses.
As Judd Vinet, the founder of the Arch Linux project said: "[Arch Linux] is what you make it."
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-- From "The Arch Way"
So I stand behind the fact that the wm/de does NOT go astray of the original design intents at all.
As for me, with over a decade of using Linux exclusively for all my computing needs, I feel pretty safe in saying I KNOW how to do alot more from the command line than most people, but that doesn't mean that command line simplicity can't exist in harmony with the most advanced desktop user environment, it can and does on my machines. I use the tools that perform the task I want the best. So, for moving the same files to 4 different machines, that means opening up a kde app that I can open mult windows in and sftp to those machines and drag and drop those files all at once or individually, and do it in seconds. YES, i can script this if I wanted too, but to many times the moving of files isn't the same machine same location etc etc, it just doesn't make sense to script it. Standard sftp clients doen't offer multiple windows to drag and drop files. I would also venture to say that while I abhor M$ Windows, I will not say that their user interfaces are badly designed. KDE resembles Windows design to some extent, but I can make lxde look EXACTLY like windows. It's just a look, has nothing to do with functionality. I use what works for me, what I enjoy. I hope everyone here does the same.
As for the WM/DE flame wars, they are a classic waste of time
USE WHAT YOU LIKE !!!! It's just one of the MANY priviledges of choice that running Linux gives you.
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6060826007.html
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00022.html
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Lord.DragonFly.of.Dawn
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| Quote: | | Arch Linux defines simplicity as a lightweight base structure without unnecessary additions, modifications, or complications, that allows an individual user to shape the system according to their own needs. |
Well with the 2025.2 Install CD you can see where the leader came from. He is from the debian field, and the module are automaticaly loaded.
you don't need to configure your, /etc/rc.conf , inittab, and what else anymore.
I was surprised last weekend, I installed Archlinux, i686 and x86_64 just to see how the things are now.
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reboot and the system cames up from alone in running level 5 and the kdm log in manager I was surprise.
Arch is going to break there own rules. That's not good. But they call it evolution. |
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crouse
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jada, WHICH install cd ?
I always use the core isos, i never had things work without configuring......... in fact i just installed from the 2025 core cd about a week ago... i'm confused i guess.
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