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bluwulf
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2024 7:00 pm    Post subject: To certify or not to certify??? Reply with quote

To certify or not to certify???

Mongrel wrote:
After looking around, I noticed we have abundant discussions here at
SFDC on the topic, but the threads are spread around pretty widely. Many
of these threads will not be exclusively on certification but I believe most
if not all contain decent discussions on the subject.

I have long wished we had this list so I went ahead and made it.

Great reading for anyone thinking about getting a cert, which one to get,
who to talk to etc etc.

Here is the list I compiled.

Professions

Debate about the best security certs

What kind of job could i get with these qualifications???

Beginning Certification?

Being certified doesn't make you any less of a dumba$$

Certification Retakes

Hacker University? Network Security Degree Gain Popularity

CVs/Resume How do you sell yourself?

General Career advice

How long do you guys typically study for Cert Exams?

Anyone have any thoughts SCNP and SCNA certs from SCP?

How did you get into I.T. ?

Win2k Server Cert

Certification views from CIO's

Where to from here? - Certification advice wanted

SANS qualification

Microsoft certification program 2024

The Low-Down On The CISSP

Motivation

Security Qualifications - CISSP Security+ CSS1 Checkpoint

CCNA worth the paper its printed on?

Do you have any type of security certifications?

CCNA 3.0

Books reviews..

ISA/IIS/Exchange learning

Comptia Wireless + certification

CIW

CERT Introduces New Incident Handler Certification

SQL 2024 Certification

Microsoft recognizes CompTIA Security+

Vendor Accountability Pushed

Linux joins Common Operating Environment Cert Club

MCSE Electives

Anyone here done the GCIH cert

futhur education

website security certificate

Degree in Networking or MCSE dillemma

degree?


source : http://security-forums.com/forum/viewtopic.html?t=6963


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2024 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, here is my take on this idea. Certs definately don't prove you as a smart computer guy. The market is flooded with "Paper" MCSE's and RHCE's and Linux+ ppl, BUT if you already have an idea in the field they will help you further yourself. Don't take the test for the sake of takeing it or just to have a cert under your belt. Take it becuse you already have an idea and wish to broden it. Trust me, if we get rolling and I were to higher you, I'll test you with real world application of your certs and not just be satisfied you have it. I'n short, the cert might get you in the front door but if you have no knoledge of how to apply it, I'll have you exit as quick as you walked through it Smile


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2024 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geeshock wrote:
... I'n short, the cert might get you in the front door but if you have no knoledge of how to apply it, I'll have you exit as quick as you walked through it Smile

Exactly! It gets you in the front door.Only an idiot would think paper alone would get you hired.But if you have the knowledge but no proof they usually dont give you any kind of a chance.You set your own value as to the worthiness of getting certified.
For some,it's a necsessity:eg.,a local adult education center offers a Network+ prep course.The only requirement to attend? You must be A+ certified. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2024 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A certification in Linux SECURITY is not the main issue for people seeking certification in Linux Administration. Yes, security is a major contributing factor in administration, but is not 100% of the matter. As for getting the certification, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. So many employers are prescreening candidates via headhunters, and the headhunters are clueless in many instances about how to interview a technical person, so the resume that gets passed along to the employer has to say RHCE or LPI or what not.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2024 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lynch wrote:
Exactly! It gets you in the front door.Only an idiot would think paper alone would get you hired.


You'd be surprised at the number of idiots out there. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2024 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_ed wrote:
You'd be surprised at the number of idiots out there. Very Happy


nah, we have a whole department full of them at SSD/FSI. Very Happy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2024 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, I know, had a lady I tried to help set up an isp. I Had the e-mail server, Radius Server, secondary firewall (software), DNS server, database server, and even had samba set up for the 2 winblows computers. I wonder if she was all talk and no action, she never gave any direction, had an accend 6000 ready to be setup but it collected dust, and all she had to do was set up 2 servers but never did. Eventualy the whole project went belly up and we haden't even signed the first customer. Tell me we don't have a few idiots around here Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2024 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, getting back onto bluwulfs topic, would security certification help any? I figure that Linux security is fairly straightforward: close ports, complex passwords, expire passwords frequently, keep up with security issues in Linux software, avoid software that has weak support.

What else could an admin person need?



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2024 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmna wrote:
So, getting back onto bluwulfs topic, would security certification help any? I figure that Linux security is fairly straightforward: close ports, complex passwords, expire passwords frequently, keep up with security issues in Linux software, avoid software that has weak support.

What else could an admin person need?


Emplyers like certs for the same reason they like degrees. They suposedly prove your at least at a certian point. Not saying it's always true, but to them it's the lesser of the evils


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2024 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about ways to enforce company policy internally?
Say people aren't allowed to surf from such-and-such hours, and are limited to what sites they surf (ie. not porn).

Laptops from home (with worm-infected Windows)

Another thing could be setting up spam blocking.

Just a couple of thoughts.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2024 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_ed wrote:
How about ways to enforce company policy internally?
Say people aren't allowed to surf from such-and-such hours, and are limited to what sites they surf (ie. not porn).

As long as it's out there they will find a way. About the best you can do is set up some basic filters and monitor the traffic and set up some strict security rules. IE, logging on from only YOUR computer. Don't leave your computer without logging off, don't write your password somewere where it'll be found, don't use weak passwords, etc.

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Laptops from home (with worm-infected Windows)


As long as they go to those pornsites they are at risk. Don't they know those are hackers favorite targets? Well, those and the security patch sites if they can break in.

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Another thing could be setting up spam blocking.


It depends on the bussiness you are in. As a webhost we have some filters set up that our clients can use but if I set the filters to high I can miss valuble e-mail from a potential client.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2024 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_ed wrote:
How about ways to enforce company policy internally?
Say people aren't allowed to surf from such-and-such hours, and are limited to what sites they surf (ie. not porn).
I see security as guarding a two-way street. Inside must be allowed to get outside, within reasn, and outside must be able to get inside, again, within reason. I'm definitely not IT material, but I do know that road warriors want a certain 'depth of access' when they are logging in from outside the firewall. OTOH, opening FTP ports is not always necessary, since unintended data flow becomes one step more possible when FTP is opened. The brunt of the matter is, IMO, being well planned before implementing the access for anyone in a company.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2024 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And making the rules clear.



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